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The reason is simple - card counting is everywhere in our culture. For example, an 2007cebit.ru search on books written about "blackjack card.


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No, it is not illegal to count cards as long as it is JUST YOU doing it without any technology, and you don't use any trickery or signals or anything else to.


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While counting isn't illegal per se (in most places), that doesn't mean you'll get off scot-free if you are suspected of doing so. Read on to find out.


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Card counting is not illegal anywhere in this country. Jersey, which long ago banned casinos from barring card counters from playing at the blackjack tables.


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Card counting is NOT illegal under federal, state and local laws in the United States as long as players don't use any external card-counting.


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It comes in levels. They have a lot of tools against card counting and I've experienced many to most firsthand. At the end you just get banned.


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card counting is NOT cheating. Card counting is simply using your brain, like a winning chess player. Fortunately, using your brain is still perfectly legal in the US!


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Card counter Kenny Uston won a court case in New Jersey that prohibits Atlantic City casinos from barring or harassing card counters. I believe that if you have won it legally, they cannot take it back. Sign up to join this community. So why is card counting a justification for casinos to kick people out? You wouldn't risk your money betting against someone with such an advantage would you? Some casinos use them, but most seem to prefer making a fuss about card counters. Not gonna happen. This case presents a conflict between two inconsistent public policies that have developed over the years with regard to the gaming industry. Tom Au Tom Au I heard that the house edge on a person playing by basic strategy was much lower than that; an eight-deck game with no additional rules benefiting the player like hitting split aces or dealer must hit soft 17 has a house edge of about. Card counters exploit a flaw in the game implementation which is not actually part of the rules of the game. What card counters mostly do is to vary their bet sizes in their own favor. But Nevada courts do tend to side with the casinos for economic reasons. EpsilonVector EpsilonVector 1 1 gold badge 2 2 silver badges 6 6 bronze badges. On one hand, gaming establishments have the unquestioned right to protect themselves against so-called "card counters" who have developed expertise in the game of "blackjack" "twenty-one". You'd stick with the odds, and play only the other A perfectly sensible and logical position, which is, in essence, the same position the casino takes. Viewed 91k times. That's just a theoretical construct. If you are too good you get thrown out. This is further reduced with fewer decks in the shoe. That's the point of counting cards. TomAu But isn't that essentially if "the appropriate times" are derived by "card counting" or methods that the casino decides "aren't fair" on their scheme of making a living off an unfair game? As a slightly off topic followup, do casinos typically let you keep what you won if they do catch you card counting? So casinos will eject players for that kind of behavior alone, whether or not connected with card counting. Active Oldest Votes. The new moderator agreement is now live for moderators to accept across the…. They are allowed to take "defensive" measures such as shuffling up after every deal. TomAu Or by "beat the game" do you mean beat the other players? Meaning that if card counters were forced to "flat bet," they would lose. You have a few advantages, but also have to play by strict and predictable conventions, but the thousand can play in any manner they choose. What card counters do is to watch for a handful of situations that come up occasionally, where the player is favored. Well, the very odds of the game are per se in the casino's favour -- it turns out they're not a charity : If you want to play a fair game, simply don't go to a casino in the first place NeilCoffey: What you said is basically true, except that the best players can beat the game by varying their bets at appropriate times. Yes, even if the game was precisely even; the mathematics is interesting. It is some fraction of 1 percent depending on house rules against a "skilled" player who plays optimally but doesn't vary his bets based on card-counting. Featured on Meta. Is that all there is to it, or is there a valid gameplay justification for this? Question feed.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} Then they "jump" their bets by five or ten times to take advantage of these situations, and bet a "basic" unit at other times, shifting the odds in their favor. Actually, it is not the "mechanic," that makes for card counting. KeithS: It used to be more like 0. Needless to say, "trolling" and "table hopping," whether or not for the purpose of making money, while not illegal, are socially gauche. I understand that. You also know that one of those thousand is capable of card-counting. Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}It only takes a minute to sign up. Hot Network Questions. Just a little addition to the previous answer: Imagine you have the opportunity to play blackjack against a thousand people. This is a form of "trolling. Unless you use a "device" such as a computer to do so in Nevada, which is a felony under Nevada law. I was under the impression that if all players play by what the casino deems are the accepted rules, then statistically, the players collectively are essentially bound to lose to the house. Sounds like fraud to me. But card counters overcome this advantage by betting big on certain "good" hands and betting small on most other "bad" ones. Why is card counting considered illegal in Blackjack? Obviously, a card counter will cost them money, but if that is the only justification, then it's like the casino is cheating- they only allow sucky players to play. Feedback post: New moderator reinstatement and appeal process revisions. On the other hand, neither card counting nor the use of a legal subterfuge such as a disguise to gain access to this table game is illegal under Nevada law. As far as I can see, a card counter is still subject to the same mechanic as any other players, but they are able to perform better then most people within these confines. Michael Borgwardt Michael Borgwardt 2 2 bronze badges. It is negative against a skilled card counter who varies his bets. Ask Question. EpsilonVector: If casinos took bets where they didn't have an edge, they'd go out of business. This flaw and thus card counting can actually be neutralized in two ways: Shuffling manually after each hand - but that slows down the game and thus reduces casino winnings on the game that already gives them a rather small house edge. Only if you've used a counting device, or properly cheated etc, but then they also throw you in jail after taking back the money : Of course, there's nothing to say you aren't going to suffer a few accidents "falling down the stairs" on your way out of the casino I'm still not convinced. Continuous shuffling machines - but players and dealers hate those, claim that they destroy the atmosphere, etc. And the assumption is that most people would not engage in that kind of behavior unless they are card counting. This strategy calls for the big player to "table hop" in a seemingly random fashion but actually based on signals from his teammates. TimLymington: If casinos were "even money" against a handful of "best" players and favorites against everyone else, they'd be ok. Casinos pretend that they let you gamble in a game that has certain rules, but if you use skill to win, then you are not allowed to play, even if you play within the confines of those rules. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. Linked 4. OK this actually makes sense. The rules of blackjack say nothing about dealing multiple hands from the same pre-shuffled stack - but that's exactly what makes card counting possible. This isn't cheating in any sense of the word. So "bet management" is a key skill in the game. Card counting isn't considered illegal. Casinos have the right to deny service to anyone, and of makes sense to deny players from playing a game in which they have an advantage versus the house. Active 5 years, 6 months ago. As entertainment goes, not bad. See my answer below. Asked 7 years, 3 months ago. They may have the right to choose not to play with you, but the games in which they did play with you should be considered legitimate, right? Card counting ISN'T illegal.